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Kapitan
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grając BA czy Tau?... 
a tak poważnie wiem, że jak wyśle same Banshees do przodu to nie przeżyją za długo, ale i tak uważam, że są bardzo dobre w CC (dorzucając Dooma to jeszcze lepsze)...
p.s. wrzuciłem rozpiske, którą planuje grać tylko jeszcze trzeba chyba ją dopracować... co myslićie o niej?...
http://www.miscast.fora.pl/rozpiski-i-taktyka,9/eldars-1300pkt,1499.html
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| Wysłany: Śro 21:38, 19 Mar 2008 Temat postu: |
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W sumie mi obojetnie  . Nie uważacie, że jeżeli piechota będzie sie ruszać tyle co pojazdy typu fast po burście to będzie troszke nie za fajnie.
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| Wysłany: Czw 7:33, 20 Mar 2008 Temat postu: |
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dlatego ja jestem za nie zmienianiem edycji  ... dobrze jest jak jest...
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• Running – instead of shooting can opt to run d6” (cannot assault) (note Fleet of Foots advantage now is that you can assault)
• Cover rules (a cover save is needed when shooting into cover, for the unit being shot at when you are shooting out of more than 2” of cover, shooting through cover to enemy on the other side)
• Targeting units (can’t target units whose line of site is paritally impaired by friendly units if your guns are powerful enough to damage it e.g. Missile Pod versus Devilfish)
• Shooting – if you shoot through on the same level as you the enemy unit being fired at gains a 4+ cover save
• Templates – all templates auto hit all the models underneath e.g. a ball of flame from an explosion
• Pinning/Go To Ground – after the enemy has rolled to hit or wound you can declare your models pinned and the unit cannot do anything that turn. They will benefit from +1 to their cover save or a 6+ save if not in cover
• Pinning – If forced to pin you take a -1 modifier Ld test if below half strength
• Blast weapons – instead of rolling to hit with blast weapons they automatically hit the target area but scatter
• (Flame) Template weapons – you don’t need to roll to hit
• Twin-linked template weapons – re-roll to wound
• Moving through units – troops cannot move through friendly units unless there enough room for its base or hull to fit through
• Rending – cause an AP2 wound against non-vehicles and against vehicles adds D3 to the Armour Penetration
• Sniper (cant remember old rules so may not be diff) – always a 4+ to wound, pinning, rending, 2D AP against vehicles (no bonus for rending)
• Pile-In moves are now at a 6” maximum
• Assault – can assault multiple units as long as you can maintain coherency, must declare which is the primary target and move to engage that unit first (must start assault against the unit it shot at) must attack the first unit if in its 2” assault range, if engaged with more than one enemy at the beginning of the fight you can choose where to assign the attacks
• If you assault a unit and you are exactly 1” away you are classed as in combat because you are 1” away or less
• If assaulting enemy units into/out of/through cover you suffer -1 initiative (if the enemy unit were locked in combat in the last turn this does not apply)
• Consolidation moves at end of assault can only be used to enter already locked combats and not start them
• Pistols are the only shooting weapon that confers +1 attack in combats
• Powerfists – if using a powerfist only secondary powerfists/thunder hammers will confer a +1 attack bonus. If using another special weapon eg. a power weapon powerfists may count towards the +1 attack bonus
• Morale checks (cant remember if diff) – now take a test if unit falling back pass through or touches normal unit
• Morale checks - -1 extra modifier to any other Ld test modifiers if below half strength
• Morale checks – If you lose an assault you gain a -1 modifier for every wound caused – my poor tau
• If you are immune to psychology somehow when losing a combat you take as many wounds as you are outnumbered by e.g. outnumbered 2:1 equals 2 wounds (walkers + mc’s = 10 models)
• Falling Back – fleeing troops may not Go To Ground (pinning rule) or automatically pass pinning tests
• Falling Back units may shoot while moving or opt to run (moving towards closest table edge). You cannot assault when falling back
• Falling back troops automatically pass all morale checks except to regroup
• Regroup – can regroup falling units with a Ld test if further than 6” from nearest enemy unit and above half strength
• Regroup - +1 to roll needed if no enemy is visible or in area terrain
• Regroup – if regrouped can Assault and Run or Shoot (count as moving)
• Independent Characters – Move Through Cover and Skilled Rider rules
• Independent Characters – In combat must be in b2b and can be targeted separately
• MCs – Shoot at 1 target, cannot voluntarily pin
• (Dark) Eldar Jet bikes – May make an extra 6” movement in the Assault phase instead of assaulting
• Artillery – artillery units may not run, and may not assault if there is a gun
• Artillery – models hit on 1-4 and guns hit on a 5-6 (like in fantasy), guns are AV10 and will automatically be destroyed on a glancing or penetrating hit
• Artillery – automatically fail sweeping advance tests
• Roads – vehicle except walkers and skimmers may move at double speed if they use their full movement distance along a road
• Vehicles – if moving 6” or less (Combat speed) may fire one single weapon. If moving at 6-12” (Cruising speed) or more cannot shoot
• Defensive Weapons – Any weapon that is Strength 4 or less (defensive) may be fired when moving at Combat Speed and in addition to their main weapon
• Defensive Weapons – may not be fired if you’re using an Ordnance weapon that turn
• Ordnance Barrage – must be stationary to fire, no defensive weapons may be fired, pinning tests incur for wounded models
• AP1 weapons cause a +1 on the Vehicle Damage Tables
• AP- causes a -1 on the Vehicle Damage Tables
• New singular Damage Tables – 1.Crew Shaken (no shooting), 2.Crew Stunned (no movement or shooting
3. Damaged – 1 Weapon Destroyed, if none left Immobilised
4. Damaged – Immobilised, if already move to Wrecked
5. Damaged – Wrecked. Destroyed and becomes wreckage
6. Damaged – Explodes. 6” in all directions S3 Ap-. Vehicles not affected and ground becomes Difficult Terrain
• Glancing Hit = -2 Modifier
• AP- versus vehicles = -1 Modifier
• Hit an Open Topped Vehicle or AP1 weapon = +1 Modifier
• Hull Down/Obscured – 50% of vehicle must be in terrain to be hull down
• Obscured units may take the appropriate cover save for the terrain if they get a Glancing/Penetrating hit. If obscured from wargear the save is always 5+
• Vehicles are not hull down if in open Area Terrain
• Shooting at Vehicles – if you cannot see 100% of one side the vehicle gains a 3+ cover save
• Vehicle Assaults – Troops Strength +D6 Armour Penetration
• Defensive Grenades (i.e. Photon Grenades) – 4+D6 AP vs. vehicles
• Defensive Granades - When charged by enemy units the grenades cause them to lose their +1 attack for charging
• Assault Grenades (i.e. Frag Grenades) – 5+D6 AP vs. Vehicles
• Assault Grenades - if assault enemy units in terrain the combat will be fough on initiative basis
• Krak Grenades – 6+D6 AP vs. Vehicles
• Melta Bombs – 8+2D6 AP vs. Vehicles
• Vehicle Squadrons – Immobilised vehicles may be abandoned and in the process are destroyed and wrecked
• Vehicle Squadrons –shoot at one unit per turn. If shot at hits distributed evenly
• Vehicle Squadrons – if assaulted count as separate vehicles
• Transport Fire Points – cannot shoot if at Cruising Speed, counts as moving
• Transport Embarking – all of the models within 2” of Access Point or no embarking allowed
• Transport Disembarking – may shoot but not assault (no mention of Running)
• Effects of Transport Damage on Passengers – Wrecked causes a Pinning Test and Explosion causes a S4 AP- hit and a pinning test
• Ramming Tanks – If ramming cannot shoot. To ram a tank you move in the same way as a Tank Shock. Causes damage to both tanks on the correct side. +1S for every armour point above 10 and +1 for every 3” moved +1, tank +1
• Open Topped Vehicles - +1 to result of vehicle damage
• Fast Vehicles – May choose to make a Flat Out move granting them 18” to move but cannot shoot
• Fast Vehicles Firing – At Combat Speed may move and shoot all weapons like a stationary vehicle e.g. ordnance weapons. At Cruising Speed may move and fire like normal vehicles’ combat speed
• Flat Out – cannot embark/disembark troops
• Skimmers – cannot end move over friendly/enemy troops
• Skimmers – if moving at Cruising or Flat Out speed count as obscured
• Skimmers – if at Cruising Speed or Flat Out and is immobilised it’s destroyed, if it at Combat Speed immobilised as normal and no longer a skimmer
• Skimmers – need a 6 to hit skimmers in combat
• Walkers – may Run
• Walkers – If stationary may fire all weapons, if at combat speed may fire one
• Walkers – If immobilised or Stunned in combat, loses one attack
• Walkers – May Death or Glory ramming moves
• Universal Special Rule – Eternal Warrior – immune to instant death
• Feel No Pain – cannot be used if you won’t receive an armour save
• Fleet – can Run and Assault
• Slow and Purposeful - Units with SaP have the Relentless special rule and count as moving through difficult terrain when moving
• Relentless - a unit may move, fire weapons as though they are stationary and then assault in the same turn
• Stealth – units receive a +1 to cover saves
• Stubborn – receive no Ld modifiers for morale checks
• Turbo Boosters – Jet Bikes and Bikes may move up to 20”, if moves more than 18” the model receives a 3+ save
• Standard Missions- 1-2 Recon, 3-4 Take & Hold, 5-6 Total Annihilation and have the rules Reserves, Deep Strike, Random Game Length (All these missions have been changed)
• Recon – D3+2 markers. Control objective if you are within 3” and there are no enemies within 3”. Player with the most objectives wins
• Take & Hold – Player places an objective in each Deployment Zone, each objective is claimed if within 3” and no enemy units. Player with most wins
• Total Annihilation – Player with highest number of kill points wins. HQ=3 kill points. Heavy Elite Fast Attacks=2 Kill Points. Troops = 1 Kill Point
• Scoring Units – Troops are the only scoring units. Troops that are vehicles or falling back are not scoring units
• Deployment – Roll off for deployment type.
• 1-2 Spearhead (Table Quarters)
• 3-4 Pitched Battle (long edge)
• 5-6 Dawn of War (long edge) place 1HQ and 2Troop on the table and on your first turn models not already deployed can move on from the table edge, infiltrators may start as normal
• Deep Strike – if a unit deep strikes onto a unit/terrain/off the board you roll on the deep strike mishap table. 1=Destroyed, 2/3=unit removed counts as half strength for VP, 4/6= Opponent may place unit anywhere without scattering
• Random Game Length – if at end of turn 5 the player who just had their turn roll a d6 on a 3+ you play turn 6. At end of turn 6 roll a 4+ and turn 7 is played
• Reserves – on turn 5 or later units arrive automatically
• Outflanking Reserves – scouts/infiltrators may try to Outflank, on a d6 roll of 1-2 the unit enters play via left short edge, 3-4 enter via right short edge, 5-6 choose
• Reserves – Scouts/Infiltrators may flank in dedicated transports
• Victory Points – gain 50% of unit worth if unit is below half strength
• If BS is 6 or great you get a re-roll to hit if you miss (doesn’t Get Hot) e.g. BS6 need a 2 to hit and a 6 if you miss. BS7 2/5, BS8 2/4, BS9 2/3, BS10 2/2 (if you have a master-crafted weapon you get the same chance to hit as on your first shot) |
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| • Defensive Weapons – Any weapon that is Strength 4 or less |
Wszystko pieknie tylko to mnie irytuje. Generalnie sporo zmian na plus. Tylko kilka rzeczy jest deczko irytujących, ale trzeba sie bedzie przyzwyczaić.
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Gromisław
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| Wysłany: Czw 10:29, 17 Kwi 2008 Temat postu: |
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A co w skrócie wg mnie jest propa:
1) Bieg
2) "go to ground"
3) Rending
4) Blast weapons
5) Tabelka efektów pojazdów
A co jest z rodem Moda na sukces custom team
1) Bronie defensywne
2) No i nie potrzebne mieszanie z BS> 5
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Gromisław
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| Wysłany: Pią 9:32, 25 Kwi 2008 Temat postu: |
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Cover:
All cover is 4+
If you shooting through more than 2" of cover, then your target gets a cover save.
If there is a dispute about the majority being in or out of cover, thats when the cover save with the -1 comes in.
UPDATE: This 4+ cover save applies if you draw LoS through any other unit (friend of foe) other than your target. Normal terrain still has a standarized chart for things from hedges up to bunkers similar to 4th edition.
Line of Sight:
There are no height levels, all terrain is true LoS (even jungles and woods). They will need to be modeled appropriately if they are to block LoS.
Blast Weapons:
Blast weapons don't roll to hit, but always scatter D6" minus the BS of the firer. ~Yikes, watch out for Dark Reaper Exarchs!
All models under a blast template (including partials) are automatically hit.
UPDATE: The scatter distance is 2d6" minus BS, but if a "Hit" is rolled on the scatter-die it lands on target.
Skimmers:
Skimmers only get cover saves if they move over 12".
UPDATE: Skimmers do get their cover save if moving at Cruising speed or All-Out.
Missions:
Scoring units must be BOTH Troops and Infantry (it is unknown if jump infantry count towards this). In any case it would appear that a pure Ravenwing army might have a hard time unless they draw a VP mission.
Killpoints are apparently out, being replaced by the standard VPs in certain missions.
UPDATE: Killpoints are still in, in a limited fashion for one mission variant. You now score a single killpoint for each unit killed regardless of its FOC category.
Perils of the Warp:
Perils now causes an automatic wound, but invulnerable saves are allowed.
UPDATE: You must reroll the invulnerable save if it passed the first time, so perils is still dangerous.
Monstrous Creatures:
Monstrous creatures now have the Move Through Cover USR instead of re-rolling the difficult terrain dice.
Monstrous creatures may only fire one weapon per turn.
UPDATE: The jury is still out for Monstrous Creatures firing. There are conflicting reports of their firing ability (either 1 weapon or all weapons)...
~If that Monstrous creature only firing one weapon per turn pans out, that could be a nerf to balance out the nidzilla lists... The skimmers only gaining cover saves if they moved over 12" is yet another nail in the falcon coffin. So on balance 5th is shaping up to nerf skimmers of all types, drop the firepower of monstrous creatures, and increase the speed of infantry... Pretty interesting overall. What do you guys think?
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A tu nowa okładka Ved IMHO fajna:)
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Ostatnio zmieniony przez Gromisław dnia Sob 9:00, 26 Kwi 2008, w całości zmieniany 1 raz
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Norb
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| Wysłany: Sob 20:34, 03 Maj 2008 Temat postu: |
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Czy jest już data tej nowej edycji. Kiedy wejdzie do użytku?
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| Wysłany: Sob 22:40, 03 Maj 2008 Temat postu: |
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Jest jeszcze filmik, ale ten niestety nie działa
Ostatnio zmieniony przez Olek dnia Sob 22:44, 03 Maj 2008, w całości zmieniany 1 raz
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Norb
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| Wysłany: Nie 7:13, 04 Maj 2008 Temat postu: |
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To w sumie nie długo , dzięki Olek, to w takim razie dopiszę się do waszej ligi.
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Ederus
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| Wysłany: Nie 11:36, 04 Maj 2008 Temat postu: |
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Ligę, a przynajmniej fazę grupową rozegramy na 4ed. To czy play-off zrobimy na 5ed to zobaczymy po tym jak ludzie obeznają się w 5ed i czy dużo nieścisłości w zasadach będzie. Norb DE, si?
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| Wysłany: Nie 11:44, 04 Maj 2008 Temat postu: |
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Paweł myślałem że można bedzie zrobić, że jak ktoś bedzie chcieć to zagra sobie na 5 a jak nie to na 4 bo jest ten okres przejściowy.
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Gromisław
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| Wysłany: Nie 11:55, 04 Maj 2008 Temat postu: |
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Ja uważam, że jak ktoś chce grać na zasady Ved to niech grają Ja oczywiście będe grał o ile przeciwnik będzie chciał grać na nowej edycji . I tak sądze będzie najlepiej ale play off już na Ved
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Ederus
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| Wysłany: Nie 11:58, 04 Maj 2008 Temat postu: |
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Jest ku temu kilka problemów:
1)Będzie można kogoś złapać na nieznajomości nowych zasad,
2)Niektóre armie będą miały zdecydowanie łatwiej na 5ed niż inne
3)Na pewno będą nieścisłości w zasadach.
Dlatego uważam, że albo od górnie ustalamy, że gramy 5ed, albo gramy całą ligę na 4ed.
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Gromisław
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| Wysłany: Nie 12:17, 04 Maj 2008 Temat postu: |
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Daj ankiete  (ale w odpowiednim temacie:D).
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